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2009 Frank & Dave Christmas Show

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2009 Frank & Dave Christmas Show

 

Q. There doesn't seem to be a lot on the market. Where are the deals?

A. We've got over 1,000 listings on Mobilehomeparkstore.com, and there are several hundred more on Loopnet.com. That does not even count the brokers listings that pop up several pages more of listings if you click on them. That's quite a bit already on the market. On top of that, you should hit park owners with direct mail, phone calls, and brokers with the same. It's not hard to find an enormous stack of mobile home park deals fairly quickly.

Q. Sellers seem to be unrealistic in pricing, asking 7% cap rates. What's up?

A. Same difference as the asking and selling prices of homes right now. Many sellers refuse to accept the reality of the marketplace. They think that, since someone offered them $1 million for the park three years ago, it must be worth $1 million or more, even though the income barely supports $500,000. If they own it free and clear, and don't mind sitting on it for 20 yeas, then they can just wait out the market. The others don't have that luxury. In the end, anyone who seriously wants to sell is going to have to price it at a 10% cap or higher. The ones who are adamant that they want 7% are often impossible to reason with, but many of them are, at this point, ready to look at reasonable offers.

Q. Did Warren Buffett sell Clayton?

A. Not that we are aware of. A search to Google News just now showed no such report.

Q. Can you expand on the New Home Solutions program?

A. We try to match up park owners and manufacturers to see if new homes are attractive based on their new, low prices vs. higher repo prices and costs to renovate. Obviously, if you can buy a new home or a used home for the same price, you're going to buy new. In some markets, that's already the case. It depends on the type of home you are trying buy (singlewide vs. doublewide, metal s. vinyl, 14' wide vs. 16' wide) and where you are located at. But isn't it worth a quote if you are looking at buying some homes to put into your park?

Q. Why would the owner of a land-only park want to sell and carry paper?

A. If I sell a park for cash, I have to pay tax on it and then put what's left in a CD paying 2%. If I carry the paper, I pay the tax out over time, and earn 8% interest in the note - that's more than four times more to me each month by carrying the debt. Many older sellers don't need the cash, they need the income. Seller carry improves their income.

Q. How do you value a decommissioned park? Have you purchased any?

A. You have to value it based on current income - but, of course, that's zero. So the value is not going to be real high. You could only buy such a park if you planned to bring in the homes yourself and sell them off. But when you add in the cost of bringing in enough homes to stabilize it to 80% occupancy, as well as all the necessary capital improvements to the infrastructure required of an abandoned park, the numbers are probably just not going to work. The only exception would be an incredibly desirable location with a very high lot rent ($400+) where the infrastructure is perfect - but even then, you have to bring in the homes, so it would be a hard gamble.

Q. How do you come up with a cap rate when the park is only 40% occupied?

A. You have to go by the current income at a 10% cap or better. You can't put any value on the vacant spaces. That's not what the owner wants to hear, but that's reality.

Q. If the location does not have a City Hall, where do you go to check the permit?

A. Good question. You have to go to whoever has authority over that property. Normally, head to the county offices and ask them. Also remember that with private water and sewer, there are other groups involved, including the State.

Q. I am currently billing back water and sewer using a RUBS method (people per household). Should I add sub meters?

A. The RUBS method has its problems. The tenant is not paying for their own usage, but the park average, which is not totally fair. It certainly does not foster conservation as there is no direct accountability. On the plus side, you don't have to read any meters and create bills from them. It also does not require the cost of installing meters and maintaining them.

Is RUBS legal where you are? If not, you better change system quickly. If it is legal, then why change to individual meters? Your net effect (-0- water/sewer paid by the park) does not change. So how much is it worth to you to foster conservation and be more "fair"?

 

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Mobile Home Parks, unlike other types of investment property, can actually be more lucrative in a recession. 

The benefits of this type of investment property include:

Double Digit Cap Rates - High and Real Returns, and Consistent Cash Flow


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Mobile home park investing offers real cap rates of 10-20%, and cash on cash returns of 15% to 30%+.  However, the business is much more complicated than it appears.  To buy mobile home parks successfully, you have to know what makes a good deal, and how to negotiate it aggressively and make the right steps to maximize your return.

Learn why this business has some extreme advantages over other forms of investment property including:

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  • The reasons you can double income in 3 to 5 years with little effort

  • How to avoid big risks through public utilities and direct billing

  • All you own is dirt - there are no toilets to fix or roofs to replace

  • Two of the Forbes 400 made their fortune in mobile home parks

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Some Comments About our Educational Products & Events:

Comment on the entire MHP series I have now officially completed listening to all of the CD series as well as participating on a number of teleconference calls.  I would have to say that the information that Dave and Frank provided and the manner in which it was organized and presented, was the best use of my time on this subject.  No where else that I know of is this information available in this amount of depth.  Your total openess and honesty about what works, what doesn't and mistakes that you have made in the past are part of what made your series so beneficial.  Bringing the information to your listeners via CD and teleconference was so much better than the typical 3 or 4 day seminar series where no topic is ever covered to any great extent.  Congratulations and I thank you for your efforts in helping the rest of us better understand this business, how to evaluate, how to make money, but most importantly, how not to lose money.  D. Phelps
Thanks Dave,

I have read the first 10 pages and am already very pleased at the content and what I've learned. The 10/20 rule is a great idea and I can see very clearly how this made you money. The profits are actually made in the due diligence. As Robert Kiyosaki also said in his "Rich Dad" series, your profits are made when you buy, not when you sell. Nice work! Thanks again and God bless.

Andrew
Thanks Dave your 10 20 principle is awesome

Jeremiah

Far exceeded my expectations! Thank you for a great package and fast delivery!

G. North

This e-book has a wealth of information, and is enjoyable to read - Thanks

Jessep
Many useful experiences to draw from. I recommended to everyone

Jass
Dave,
Fantastic educational material!  At least I never bought anything with well water!
 
Rick
Excellent info. Everybody interested in mobile home parks should get this!!!

Matt
Hi Dave,

I recently purchased your and Frank's "MHP College" CD set and want to thank you for such a terrific package.  I'll be purchasing my first MHP. 

Best regards,

Mark
Hi Dave,

Thanks for the 3 sets of CD's.  Now I can listen to you Masters while chauffeuring the kids around.  As I am learning, I am continued to be amazed how much experience and knowledge you two have.  Thank you for the stories.  And please help me to say "thank you" to Frank Rolfe too.

Thanks,  Stella

Just signed up for the university and listened to the first session...very good!

Thanks, Chris

Dave,
 
Just a quick note to say, thank you and that you have already saved my sanity, and many sleepless nights of worry. Your experience and expert advice has made a real difference in how I handle things in my trailer park. Thanks Again!!! I look forward to the next session!

Deanna

Frank and Dave,

Just wanted to let you know that, I really appreciate MHPCollege. I have been in the Mobile Home Park industry for several years now and thought I would have known all there is to know about it. However, I quickly realized that I was wrong. If this course had been available back when I started out, I could have saved thousands of dollars and made a million or more. I owe all of my future success in the Mobile Home Park Industry to you both!

Sincerely,

R. Stephens
Information overload! Great stuff, thanks much.

RJF

Mobile Home
Park Bootcamps

I am a mobile home park broker and read the book in a few hours.
 
Solid book with great insight into the business.
 
This was helpful.
 
Many Thanks,
 
JW
 
Hi Dave and Terri,

Thanks for the `Reality-based’ vs. `fantasy-based’ instruction on being successful in the MHP industry. I completely trust your experience!  Your CD’s have helped me make more informed investment decisions. Thanks, Peter
 
Hello!

I am a former member of one of your educational competitors programs and I must say, I wish Dave and Frank would have started their program long ago...they really have it together.  I have learned so much more from Frank and Dave's program than I could have ever learned from the other gentlemen. Dave and Frank really do know the business and their materials have helped me buy 5 parks (4 of them I found on your website) in the last year. I felt confident in the deal making and due diligence and I feel I have set the parks up to run in an efficient and profitable manner.

I am contacting you to thank you ALL for your assistance and to wish you a Happy & Profitable New Year!

Cheers,

Rob R.

Dave,

I just wanted to Thank You for your assistance in the due diligence of the Mobile Home Park in NC. The spread sheet was very helpful in discovering the correct value of the park. Your recommendation to call some other local parks was very helpful. You have shown with your fast response time and information given you are concerned about the success of others.

Thanks Again and I will Keep in touch with any future deals as I keep searching.

Joe
Hi Dave,
 
Thanks so much for the information.  I place a very high value on customer service.  As far as I'm concerned You, Terri and Frank are second to none in this business for providing great information with your complete and rapid response to orders, information requests and questions. 

I've attempted to contact several other program operators by e-mail and telephone to no avail.  The level of customer service you provide is a rare thing these days and you should all be proud of the work that you do.
 
Thanks again,
 
Carsten
Dave,

I am one of the recent guys who bought your CDs and 3 e-book set. Very happy I did. I bought a park about 18 months ago, somewhat by accident, and have been feeling my way ever since. Playing your CDs and reading your books has really turned on the lights. Reading about the past purchases you made was like reading adventure stories. I couldn’t put it down. Your book on MPH Investing is a fountain of wisdom and common sense from experience. Can’t thank you enough.

Thanks again for your great educational materials.

Sincerely, Robert

 

 
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